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The Mel Robbins Podcast

The Mel Robbins Podcast

Former CIA Spy: How to Read Anyone, Think Clearly, and Protect Yourself

Aug 17, 2026 · 1h 9m

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Today, a former spy and the former Chief of Disguise for the CIA is taking you inside the heart-pounding world of espionage and the secret life she lived working undercover for 30 years. Jonna will share the tactics and strategies you need to read anyone and spot a liar, offer a powerful warning about the state of the world today, and give you practical wisdom to find courage and face life’s hardest moments. For decades, Jonna helped intelligence officers assume new identities, disappear in plain sight, and carry out high-risk operations. Jonna created disguises convincing enough to fool the President of the United States and the Secret Service. Together, Jonna and her late husband, Tony…