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Keeping It Real: Conversations with Jillian Michaels
THE HARDEST CONVERSATION ON THE INTERNET: ISRAEL VS PALESTINE
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In this explosive long‑form debate, Jillian Michaels hosts Nick Matau (pro‑Israel) and Ben Burgis (pro‑Palestine) for a no‑holds‑barred clash over the most controversial questions on earth: Who really owns the land? Is a one‑state solutionwith equal rights even possible, or is the two‑state solution dead forever? Are Palestinians permanent second‑class non‑citizens under Israeli rule, and does international law actually back the “occupation” claim – or is that all propaganda? Nick Matau argues that Israel is a besieged democracy fighting for survival, defending Jewish self‑determination, security, and the legitimacy of Israeli control over Judea and Samaria/West Bank, while rejecting claims…