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The Lawyer Challenging Trump’s Deportations and Winning (with Lee Gelernt)

Oct 20, 2026 · 11m

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On this week’s episode of the Insider podcast, Deputy Director of the ACLU Immigrants’ Rights Project Lee Gelernt joins Joyce Vance, while Preet is out. In a free excerpt from the show, Joyce and Gelernt break down the latest developments in J.G.G. v. Trump, a case challenging President Trump’s use of the Alien Enemies Act to deport alleged Venezuelan gang members. Gelernt, the lead attorney in the case, recently argued before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit in support of a federal judge’s authority to investigate whether Trump administration officials deliberately defied his order blocking the deportations. To listen to the full conversation, become an Insider today. You’ll…