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The 4th Box

The 4th Box

Ep. 142 - Is It A Mental Health Crisis? Or Is It Spiritual Warfare? with Dr. Natalie Atwell

Sep 24, 2026 · 1h 1m

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About this episode

This week, we're sitting down with licensed clinical mental health therapist, Dr. Natalie Atwell, and we're going deep. Dr. Atwell has been practicing for over twenty years, but recently, she and her team have begun noticing a troubling pattern in their patients- something darker than standard mental health symptoms. As a devout Christian, she found herself asking if perhaps there was a spiritual component at play. In this episode, we explore the distinction between mental health issues, spiritual warfare, and spiritual manifestations, how Dr. Atwell assesses for these influences, and why she believes fear, self-harm, identity struggles, and an obsession with darkness can sometimes point to…