
The Zen of Nobody Caring | Valerie Bertinelli | Mackenzie Phillips | Tetyana Denford
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Valerie's guest this week is Tetyana Denford, the writer and author behind the "nobody cares" movement that's taken over Instagram — and quickly took over Valerie's algorithm too. Valerie is joined by co-host Mackenzie Phillips for this one, and together they dig into Tetyana's philosophy, which sounds blunt at first but is really a permission slip: stop performing, stop bracing for judgment that mostly isn't coming, and get comfortable with being a little uncomfortable. The conversation covers body image at different ages, Instagram as a tool versus Instagram as a trap, giving your insecurities a name (meet Steve), and Tetyana's five-word mantra for anyone drowning in comparison: "you are…